#clojure log - Apr 13 2013

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0:12 andyfingerhut: Anyone happen to know the motivation for creating Clojure's BigInt class?

0:15 hiredman: andyfingerhut: I think motivation was two fold 1. hashing 2. performance

0:15 that should be an ordered list

0:15 shouldn't

0:15 ,(.hashCode 1)

0:15 clojurebot: 1

0:15 hiredman: ,(.hashCode -1)

0:15 clojurebot: 0

0:16 hiredman: ,(.hashCode (BigInteger. -1))

0:16 clojurebot: #<IllegalArgumentException java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: No matching ctor found for class java.math.BigInteger>

0:16 andyfingerhut: hiredman: hashing, meaning control over its hash value so that it hashed to consistent values as Longs and smaller integers?

0:16 hiredman: ,(.hashCode (BigInteger. "-1"))

0:16 clojurebot: -1

0:16 hiredman: yeah

0:16 performance is clojure's bigint's try to do long ops when the value is in the long range

0:17 andyfingerhut: I know BigInt's internally are stored as a long if they fit in that range, and have a Java ref to a BigInteger if they don't. Makes sense what you say.

0:17 hiredman: hashing is not a huge issue now that clojure has it's own hashing and equality stuff

0:18 andyfingerhut: Yeah, I've been looking through hasheq recently to understand it better, related to a CLJ ticket.

0:18 I guess hasheq came after BigInt was created?

0:18 hiredman: bigint was introduced in clojure 1.3, 1.4 parted ways with java's hashing and equality

0:19 andyfingerhut: OK, I think I've fooled myself into believing that I understand all of that. :-) It certainly matches with what I've been poking through.

0:22 Looking back on the last few years, it is odd to think how much work it takes to get to = and hash (usually) being consistent with each other.

0:27 hiredman: ~tell me about scala

0:27 clojurebot: http://www2.palomar.edu/users/mhudelson/studyguides/rmnsqvsgothic_wa.html

0:27 hiredman: ~more about scala

0:27 clojurebot: http://www2.palomar.edu/users/mhudelson/studyguides/rmnsqvsgothic_wa.html

0:27 hiredman: clojurebot: you suck

0:27 clojurebot: excusez-moi

0:28 muhoo: gawd this is driving me nuts, trying to figure out how to thread a bunch of little bits of state through a bunch of functions

0:28 andyfingerhut: Where did Clojurebot get a link like that for scala?

0:28 muhoo: i guess i could create one big god-map with everything in it and pass it down through every call in teh stack

0:29 andyfingerhut: muhoo: I've done it, and it can be made somewhat manageable.

0:29 hiredman: "we are completely screwed on ==." -- seen in #scala

0:29 muhoo: or maybe i need monads :-P

0:29 hiredman: is the one I was looking for

0:30 feh, someone changed the content of the link

0:30 andyfingerhut: hiredman: That is a Scala programmer's assessment of Scala's "==" operator?

0:31 hiredman: I guess? It was something someone said years ago in #scala

0:31 muhoo: why waste time dissing scala when there is so much java to diss.

0:36 andyfingerhut: I come here not to diss other languages, but to document Clojure better

0:37 nightfly: Is this a reason why (.start (Thread. #(println "Moo")))

0:37 in nrepl doesn't seem to do anything?

0:38 muhoo: nightfly: it might be, printing to stdout

0:38 andyfingerhut: Yes :-)

0:38 muhoo: because stdout is thread local IIRC

0:39 it's bound to the nrepl connection in the local thread. if you spawn another thread, all bets are off. there might be a way to force it to bind tho, i just don't happen to know it.

0:40 ,(.start (Thread. #(println "Moo")))

0:40 clojurebot: #<SecurityException java.lang.SecurityException: no threads please>

0:41 muhoo: heh

0:44 nightfly: Alrigh, that makes sense. Thanks, I thought the world was breaking for a bit.

1:45 shriphani: hello. are there any specific NLP libraries that people recommend for use with clojure? I am looking for the equivalent of SUTime in StanfordCoreNLP.

2:09 Apage43: shriphani: there's https://github.com/dakrone/clojure-opennlp

2:10 shriphani: but

2:10 if there's a thing that's easy enough to use from java you can use it from Clojure with generally not much trouble

2:10 shriphani: but what ?

2:12 Apage43: so just use SUTime if it does what you want

2:12 shriphani: Apage43: it just claims to do what I want :)

2:13 it took an eternity to make the sample code compile and then I get shit results using it.

2:15 but yeah maybe I am using the lib incorrectly but the documentation is shit and nobody who can help is awake now :)

2:19 wliao: shriphani: What's the problem?

2:27 muhoo: is there some way to do a def using a let form? like (deflet [x 2, y 3])

2:28 suppose i could write a macro to do it, but i'm surprised it doesn't exist alreay

2:29 metellus: how is that different from a plain let?

2:30 wliao: He's using `def` like `let` format.

2:31 muhoo: ah http://www.learningclojure.com/2010/09/astonishing-macro-of-narayan-singhal.html

2:31 metellus: but (let [x 2, y 3]) would od th esame thing

2:31 as far as I can see

2:31 do the same*

2:32 wliao: nope..different scope.

2:32 metellus: ah, okay

2:34 muhoo: i'm at the repl

2:34 hiding a bunch of crap inside of let is useless

2:34 i need to be able to pick apart these things, to look at them. i suppose i could use ritz, but i'd rather do it at the repl

2:35 also, helpful for use with deftest

2:41 wliao: muhoo: I think your need is not as universal as `unsigned-bit-shift-right`, and that's why.

2:48 Raynes: muhoo: Hai

2:57 muhoo: Raynes: hey there, how goes?

2:58 Raynes: muhoo: Well enough!

4:30 wei_: how do you use the "lein ring server" plugin with aleph instead of jetty?

7:33 berdario: Uhm, I realized I can't destructure a core.logic lvar

7:33 and there's no secondo or ntho

7:34 is there a better approach than repeatedly use firsto and resto?

9:15 * Gost_4832 how many free spaces i must have to install backtrack on virtualbox ?

11:06 naeg: is there a way to simplify a nested (map f ...) with same function?

11:08 bbloom: naeg: you'll need to elaborate or show an example, but i'll assume the answer to your question is either function composition or the `for macro

11:09 naeg: bbloom: was about to paste the example: http://pastebin.com/A8WdXaHw

11:11 bbloom: i'm not really sure what that's supposed to do

11:12 naeg: I'm basically doing (map (partial bit-check bitboard) [6 7 8 1]) twice

11:12 I thought I could handle that with reduce, but can't get it to work

11:12 bbloom: naeg: your outer map is applied to two sequences in parallel

11:13 ,(map vector [1 2 3] "abc")

11:13 clojurebot: ([1 \a] [2 \b] [3 \c])

11:13 naeg: yes, and that how it's supposed to be

11:13 bbloom: but it's not the same as (partial bit-check bitboard)

11:14 let's rewind a second

11:14 what is bitboard?

11:14 what is bit-check?

11:16 thalassios_xelon: hello room:)),i use (recur (concat ..) ) and i get a stackoverflow,is it because of lazy evaluation?

11:16 naeg: bbloom: that's a bit more complicated, I'll try to come up with a general example

11:18 bbloom: thalassios_xelon: lazy evaulation will generally reduce the likelyhood of a lazy evaluation. more likely the problem is that your recursion is explodin

11:18 g

11:19 thalassios_xelon: yes it happens only in big values

11:19 but why it happens? it supposed tha recur doesnt cause stack overflows,i think the concat is doing it

11:20 bbloom: thalassios_xelon: i'd need to see a stack trace & some source code. not enough info provided

11:20 thalassios_xelon: ok 1 min

11:26 its difficult to paste my code,it says this StackOverflowError clojure.lang.LazySeq.sval (LazySeq.java:42)

11:26 is there a problem when using lazyseq in recur?

11:26 naeg: bbloom: that's basically the same as I'm doing, except that f does more complicated stuff than (+ a b) but still returns a single value: http://pastebin.com/EytSGcM3

11:27 bbloom: thalassios_xelon: use pst

11:29 thalassios_xelon: StackOverflowError

11:29 clojure.core/concat/fn--3923 (core.clj:678)

11:29 clojure.lang.LazySeq.sval (LazySeq.java:42)

11:29 clojure.lang.LazySeq.seq (LazySeq.java:60)

11:29 clojure.lang.RT.seq (RT.java:484)

11:29 clojure.core/seq (core.clj:133)

11:29 clojure.core/concat/fn--3923 (core.clj:678)

11:29 clojure.lang.LazySeq.sval (LazySeq.java:42)

11:29 clojure.lang.LazySeq.seq (LazySeq.java:60)

11:29 clojure.lang.RT.seq (RT.java:484)

11:29 bbloom: thalassios_xelon: and use a pastebin....

11:30 xeqi: like refheap.com

11:32 bbloom: naeg: are the vectors always the same input?

11:34 naeg: bbloom: yes. I though about (reduce #(map f % %2) 1 (repeat 2 [1 2 3])) but that doesn't seem to work

11:35 bbloom: naeg: why not something simple like https://www.refheap.com/paste/13596

11:40 naeg: bbloom: that's better, thanks

11:44 thalassios_xelon: https://www.refheap.com/paste/13598 its take a boolean formula and produces a CNF /DNF normal form

11:44 it causes stackoverflow exception dont know why...

11:58 bakingbread: hi. coming from the ruby I have a little theoretical question.. why to use symbols in clojure at all if clojure's symbols are immutable - why not use strings as hash keys etc?

12:01 thalassios_xelon: bakingbread, i am new in programming,symbols evaluates to their value,string to themselfs

12:03 in clojure the normal is to use keywords in maps

12:03 as keys

12:04 Foxboron: bakingbread: if i am not wong, you can do as you wish?

12:06 bakingbread: Foxboron yes.. but I just wonder why they exist

12:07 Foxboron: bakingbread: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2320348/symbols-in-clojure read that?

12:11 thalassios_xelon: bakingbread, symbols are used to represent something else, px a cant be 5,or a can be "hello",symbols are immutable but with them we can produce new thinks

12:15 anderson-c: hello all... i have a clojureclr quetion - i am having trouble interacting with COM and looking to get some advice

12:16 the quetion is:

12:17 when trying to access properties or methods on the COM object, I am getting back that the compiler is not able to find the member, but not for all members

12:17 sometimes, it will return a value

12:17 but it does not seem that the underlying object is another COM, or something I would need to additionally import

12:18 if anyone has immediate advice on that, i will take it, in the meantime, i will put together a concrete example

12:21 probably even more usefully, is how would one query a COM interface for its representations as seen from clojure?

12:25 noidi: unfortunately there are relatively few clojure-clr users, and those are very platform-specific questions

12:26 but let's hope some clojure-clr guru notices your question :)

12:27 anderson-c, have you checked out clojure.reflect? http://clojure.github.io/clojure/clojure.reflect-api.html

12:27 it seems to be implemented in clojure-clr

12:32 bakingbread: Foxboron: thanks, sorry. had a call. I read it. Also I was confusing Clojure's symbols and keywords (which is called symbols in Ruby)

12:36 Foxboron: bakingbread: ahhh.

12:37 noidi: bakingbread, there are several benefits to having a separate keyword type. first, they can be interned, which allows for more efficient comparisons.

12:37 second, keywords are functions, so you can do stuff like (map :first-name people)

12:38 ,(= (System/identityHashCode :foo) (System/identityHashCode (keyword "foo")))

12:38 clojurebot: true

12:49 bakingbread: noidi: interned?

12:51 noidi: bakingbread, all keywords with the same value are actually the same object

12:52 even ones created dynamically using the `keyword` function

12:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_interning

12:53 bakingbread: noidi: ok, but aren't immutable strings are the same object?

12:56 noidi: not necessarily

12:56 ,(= (System/identityHashCode "foo") (System/identityHashCode (.toLowerCase "FOO")))

12:56 clojurebot: false

12:57 noidi: ,(= "foo" (.toLowerCase "FOO"))

12:57 clojurebot: true

12:58 bakingbread: noidi: oh I see

12:58 thanks

13:21 lsdsl: Could someone explain to me why you can't (map .toUpperCase ["a" "b" "c"]), but you can (map #(.toUpperCase %) ["a" "b" "c"]) ?

13:27 mthvedt: lsdsl: .toUpperCase is a special form, not a fn

13:28 lsdsl: mthvedt: could you elaborate? I'm not much of a java guy. Could you explain why Clojure can't automatically turn .toUpperCase into an anonymous function?

13:29 mthvedt: i'm not really qualified to say

13:29 lsdsl: Like, internally, what is the barrier to dynamically making .toUpperCase an anonymous function?

13:29 mthvedt: my guess is the core language wants to be as magic-free as possible

13:29 rather, the core evaluation process

13:29 almost all "magic" in clojure is accomplished with macros

13:31 lsdsl: I guess I could just make a jmap or something that wraps the argument to map in an anonymous function which takes one argument

13:31 maybe that's why? arities?

13:31 hmmm

13:49 juhu_chapa: tpope: Hi, how to re-evaluate whole namespace with fireplace?

14:01 VFe: Anyone familiar with how to "connect" projects to the insta-repl in current versions of Light-Table?

14:19 augustl: is there a way to exclude a specific dependency from "lein uberjar"?

15:26 Foxboron: lsdsl, .toUpperCase IIRC is a method for the class string

15:27 SegFaultAX: Does anyone know if the new version of JoC will be released for Kindle as well?

15:27 Or some other digital pub format?

15:28 bbloom: gm

15:29 * bbloom was trying to go to gmail.com, sorry

16:00 mindbender1: .

16:04 danneu: is Lobos the community favorite for db migrations

16:05 mynomoto: VFe: You only need to evaluate a form (ctrl + enter) in a file inside a project. It connects automatically.

16:10 VFe: Thanks :)

16:30 bruceadams: augustl: you can exclude dependencies from your project overall with :exclusions. is that what you want?

16:31 augustl: bruceadams: I don't think so :) I tried various variations of excluding the dependency but it's still packaged into "lein uberjar"

16:31 the dependency is present in my "dependencies" list so I guess excluding it doesn't make much of a difference..

16:33 bruceadams: augustl: does you project in fact need that dependency? and you just want to provide some other way that packaging it in the uberjar?

16:34 or does you project not need that dependency at all? (then why is it in your project's dependecies?)

16:35 augustl: bruceadams: the project needs the dependency in order to build. It's a java library I subclass from

16:35 but when my jar gets loaded in the environment it's made for, that dependency cannot be in the jar

16:35 bruceadams: augustl: ok. that makes sense to me now. thanks.

16:36 maven has a concept of "provided" a jar needed for build and test run, but not packaged into larger packages, etc.

16:36 augustl: ah, I'll look that up. I guess I'm better of building my own pom.xml

16:36 bruceadams: i don't know if leiningen/pomegranate has that concept.

16:40 augustl: for that dependency in project.clj, try adding this clause :scope "provided"

16:41 (i haven't tried it, but that snuggles in pretty close to the Maven concept of provided.)

16:53 augustl: nevermind. i tried it just now and :scope "provided" didn't do what i was hoping for (that dependency is still put into the uberjar)

17:00 holo: hi

17:01 is it possible to catch multiple exceptions in the same catch block?

17:05 I want to return the same expression for a couple of exceptions without having to repeat myself at each one. finally I would return a different expression for a specific exception

17:14 wei_: anyone have an example of deploying http-kit on heroku?

17:18 smnirven: anybody have some experience with clojure.java.jdbc?

17:18 *that would be willing to help me with something stupid

17:20 mynomoto: smnirven: Maybe I can help.

17:20 smnirven: ty

17:20 I'm trying to add a "IN" condition to an update query

17:20 update table set x=3 where y IN(1,2)

17:21 ["id IN(?)" array-of-ids]

17:21 mynomoto: know what im getting at?

17:26 mynomoto: im trying to figure out how to the the sql string to build properly that allows me to do that

17:28 r00k: b

17:30 mynomoto: smnirven: I don't get. What are you trying to do?

17:31 smnirven: Are you trying to generate a query vector?

17:31 smnirven: yes

17:33 mynomoto: smnirven: That would be ["update table set x=? where y IN(?,?)" 3 1 2]

17:34 smnirven: Does that work?

17:34 smnirven: mynomoto: hmm, I guess that would work

17:35 mynomoto: but if I had a vector of like 100 ids that I want to put in the IN() clause, I'd have to put 100 question marks in the sql string

17:36 mynomoto: I guess I could build up that string programmatically - seems hackish though

17:38 mynomoto: smnirven: I think ["update table set x=? where y IN(?)" 3 [1 2]] also works.

17:39 smnirven: mynomoto: yeah I was trying that, didnt seem to work

17:40 mynomoto: smnirven: What's the error?

17:41 yacin: i only get one line of my stack trace in nrepl. where does the rest of it go?

17:49 smnirven: mynomoto: I get this: PSQLException Can't infer the SQL type to use for an instance of clojure.lang.PersistentVector. Use setObject() with an explicit Type

17:56 mynomoto: smnirven: what is exactly the vector you are passing?

17:56 smnirven: [2 3]

17:57 mynomoto: smnirven: And the query?

17:58 arrdem: clojurebot: ping

17:58 clojurebot: PONG!

17:59 smnirven: (clojure.java.jdbc/update-values :table_name ["id IN(?)" [2 3]] {:user_id 1})

17:59 mynomoto: that's basically it right there

18:10 gfredericks: what does github do if you force-push to a branch that a pull-request is based on?

18:10 smnirven: have you looked at the honeysql lib/

18:10 Raynes: It dropkicks the pull requester in the manhood.

18:11 mdeboard: Anyone used cascalog with light table and gotten live eval working?

18:12 mynomoto: smnirven: I got the same error here. Not sure about the solution.

18:12 smnirven: Sorry.

18:23 smnirven: mynomoto: no problem, thanks for making an attemp

18:23 *attemp

18:23 *attempt

18:25 proctor: macro question, and if I am doing it wrong please let me know (I know the first rule of macros is don't write them, so I understand I might be premature)

18:26 I would like some functions for DSL-ish type of function calls for each key in a map

18:26 * gfredericks perks up

18:27 proctor: {:mills 1 :second 1000 :hour (* 1000 60 60)}

18:27 and i would like a function for each corresponding entry in the map

18:27 e.g. timestamp-millis, timestamp-second, timestamp-hour

18:27 gfredericks: you want them def'd?

18:28 proctor: I would like to

18:28 trying to not have to write the same "function" for each different key

18:28 gfredericks: and what would the functions look like?

18:28 proctor: (defn timestamp-minute [record] (timestamp-to-resolution record :minute))

18:29 (defn timestamp-hour [record] (timestamp-to-resolution record :hour))

18:29 gfredericks: okay so it doesn't involve the vals in the map at all

18:29 proctor: it does, delegating to a different function....

18:29 gfredericks: but not directly

18:30 proctor: correct

18:31 gfredericks: k so what's the question?

18:31 proctor: (defn timestamp-to-resolution [record resolution]

18:31 (let [r (resolution timestamp-resolutions)]

18:31 (* r (quot (timestamp-in-millis record) r))))

18:31 gfredericks: refheap.com next time

18:32 proctor: sorry… will do

18:33 https://www.refheap.com/paste/13603

18:33 was hoping to have the timestamp-*** functions be generated from the keys of the timestamp-resolutions hash

18:34 so when I add a new resolution, I would not have to define a key each time

18:34 created a macro I could call to generate the function timestamp-millis if I pass :millis to the macro

18:34 and that works

18:36 didn't know how to trigger that macro for each key in the timestamp-resolutions

18:37 gfredericks: whelp

18:37 you could have a macro that takes a collection of keys

18:37 proctor: or am I crazy?

18:38 gfredericks: and use (cons 'do (for [k ks] ... the same body as before ...))

18:38 well that wouldn't work actually

18:38 you'll probably just want a no-args macro

18:38 that reads the map itself

18:38 and then use the cons trick

18:40 proctor: I'll try that, thanks

18:40 part of me wanted to make sure I wasn't trying something crazy as well

18:41 gfredericks: deffing things that aren't explicitely named isn't the most idiomatic

18:41 proctor: that was part of it...

18:42 so general guideline would be just to write out each function declaration for clarity of where it is coming from

18:43 gfredericks: yeah; you could have a (deftimestampthing millis) macro call

18:43 and you'd have a series of those

18:43 I agree the repetition isn't very tasty

18:43 you might have a good case for this sort of thing, and could just be very explicit with comments perhaps

18:44 proctor: been playing with clojure on the side, so wanted to be as idiomatic as possible, and learn the idioms

18:45 I will probably just go the redeclaration route in the code then

18:45 although I will play with the macro iteration to get a better handle on macros though :D

18:45 thanks again

18:45 gfredericks: np

18:51 smnirven: mynomoto: by the way it looks like a limitation of jdbc

18:51 mynomoto: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/178479/preparedstatement-in-clause-alternatives

19:37 wei_: what's the best version of java to use with clojure?

19:37 (on ubuntu)

19:52 callen: wei_: openjdk or Oracle JVM is fine

19:52 wei_: callen: thanks

20:26 stompyj: is there a way to add a library to leiningen without having to restart the repl

20:26 ?

20:32 n_b: stompyj: Does require not work?

20:32 scottj: stompyj: don't know, maybe something related to https://github.com/cemerick/pomegranate

20:33 stompyj: thanks guys, I'll look into those.

20:34 Raynes: require is not what you want.

20:34 require is for using libraries already on the classpath.

20:35 stompyj: looks like pomegranate is the right path to go down

20:40 urlwolf__: Is windows a tolerable platform for clojure?

20:41 scottj: urlwolf__: tolerable sure.

20:42 capcrunch: anyone works on jzos ?

20:42 urlwolf__: appart from sucky command line, any other showstoppers?

20:42 capcrunch: jvm segfautls using clojure

20:42 ah i think is because i created a war , and i use slurp & spit to modify a file inside the jar at runtime

20:46 doug4704: hoping someone can clarify access to java libraries from clojure

20:46 * gfredericks bets someone can

20:46 doug4704: I have a jar file for reading outlook .msg files

20:47 gfredericks: and the jar is not already available on maven anywhere?

20:47 doug4704: does any sort of a clojure wrapper need to be written or should I be able to access the classes in the jar as-is?

20:47 holo: urlwolf__, I use fish shell for shell scripting as a complement in my clj project. I gave up on clj as scripting language because of the bootstrap times. just checked, and there isn't any port of fish to windows. just a random remark hehe

20:47 gfredericks: java interop is super easy. the maybe harder part is if you're using leiningen and want a random jar to be on the classpath

20:47 urlwolf__: holo: I love fish shell too

20:48 hear some people got it compiled on cygwin

20:48 holo: urlwolf__, that's great. get it tested first. if you see it's a show stopper, maybe you've got your answer there

20:48 bruceadams: capcrunch: IBM (aka J9) Java 1.7 prior to SR4 had issues with Clojure

20:48 https://github.com/technomancy/leiningen/issues/954

20:49 doug4704: I thought I would need to start clojure (in order to access the extra .jar ) like java -cp [path-to-clojure.jar]:[path-to-extra-jar] clojure.main

20:49 bruceadams: I don't specifically know about jzos, but it's pretty much the same code base.

20:50 capcrunch: thanks bruceadams, the thing always segfaults at slurp , i'll take a look at this

20:50 gfredericks: doug4704: if you're using straight java (rather than leiningen) then you should have no issue and it should work like you're describing

20:50 holo: urlwolf__, what do you use for string and list manipulation? I use pyp

20:50 bruceadams: capcrunch: can you check on exactly which version you are running? I'm curious...

20:51 that is, version of java.

20:51 capcrunch: 1.6

20:51 doug4704: gfredericks: I tried variations on this: (ns something (:import com.auxilii.msgparser MsgParser)

20:52 bruceadams: hmm.. i'm not aware of any issues with IBM java 1.6 (but have only done a little clojure on there)

20:52 gfredericks: doug4704: (:import [com.auxilii.msgparser MsgParser]) should work

20:52 urlwolf__: holo: great find

20:52 I don't have a need for it right now

20:53 doug4704: gfredericks: ok, I'll continue messing around with it. good to have it confirmed I was understanding it correctly on how it was supposed to work. thanks.

20:53 holo: urlwolf__, I use it in conjunction with fish. very easy to get things done

20:53 capcrunch: bruceadams , according to the stacktrace of the bug report is not the same issue

20:55 bruceadams: the issue i pointed to could be avoided by disabling the JIT compiler (but that was only seen in IBM Java 1.7)

20:56 capcrunch: i'll try that i had to move my development from zos to solaris on sparc

20:57 because of this

20:57 bruceadams: capcrunch: any chance you can open a problem report with IBM about the crash?

20:58 certainly a JVM segfault is a JVM issue (not a Clojure issue).

21:01 capcrunch: bruceadams , i cannot open a report at the time i'm finishing my development first , i hope it is sorted out on a next version of the jvm

21:09 bruceadams: capcrunch: my impression is there isn't much feedback to IBM JVM for Clojure triggered issues. i worry they won't know there is a problem that needs to be fixed.

21:17 capcrunch: bruceadams all mainframe guys i know just use cobol ,c,and jcl so i'm adding clojure to the scenario ,just a bummer it does not work on jzos but it is not a show stopper yet

21:24 bruceadams: capcrunch: FWIW i can do a simple Clojure (1.5.1) slurp using IBM Java 1.6 (SR13 FP1) on 64bit Linux.

21:26 (i don't have ready access to a zos system.)

21:26 capcrunch: bruceadams yeah slurp works fine on the repl , but i think the issue is that im using a war and trying to modify the contents inside the war , so as i don't have leingen on the mainframe i use tomcat to test

21:36 muhoo: capcrunch: you're not.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Draper are you?

21:45 capcrunch: muhoo nope

22:35 devn: ,(defmacro eval-wrapper [form] `(defn wrapper# [] ~form))

22:35 clojurebot: #<Exception java.lang.Exception: SANBOX DENIED>

22:36 devn: So, I was doing this: (defn -main (let [x (read)] (eval x)))

22:36 But eval breaks criterium at the moment, so I'm trying to skip the eval and instead wrap the form inside a fresh defn, and then call the generated function

22:36 Does that make sense?

22:38 Does my "eval-wrapper" do what I think it does? Am I going to get meaningful benchmark results from calling the (let [x (read-string "(+ 1 1)"), wrapped-fn (eval-wrapper x)] (wrapped-fn))?

22:40 the macroexpand looks right to me: (macroexpand-1 '(eval-wrapper (+ 1 1))) => (clojure.core/defn wrapper__7298__auto__ [] (+ 1 1))

22:42 mynomoto: smnirven: Thank you for the link. I didn't know that it was not possible, but makes sense to prevent injection attacks.

23:16 hugod: devn (let [f (eval `(fn [] ~(read)))] ...) I would think

23:16 anderson-c: @noidi - thanks for the response, sorry, it has taken so long to get back to you on it. now that i have been away from the problem, and got a chance to come back, i was able the find the solution

23:18 the thing i need to do, was to type-hint the member call. essentially, i have defn'd a variable, say 'f' and was trying to call it with the likes of (.get_Name f), and getting the above errors, I was trying it without the prefix, etc.

23:19 what needed to happen, was the instance needed to hinted as to the interface it supports, which i have from examining the il,

23:19 and when acted upon in this way, with a call structured like (.get_Name ^COMClass f)

23:19 it would then return the proper response

23:21 so, thanks for even responding to me, i appreciate it, and i hope that bit of info helps someone out down the road

23:27 devn: hugod: did you get those msgs on that closed PR on criterium?

23:27 hugod: im actually trying to do exactly what you proposed above, but im still getting very weird results from criterium

23:28 Thread/sleep completes in 1ns, for example

23:28 err (Thread/sleep 1000)

23:31 hugod: Cleaning JVM Allocations...\nException in thread "main" java.lang.ClassCastException: clojure.lang.Cons cannot be cast to clojure.lang.IFn

23:37 carlw2: hey what do people use for migrations? I tried getting ragtime going but I'm having some issues with it

23:47 mynomoto: carlw2: I'm using lobos. It's not perfect but does the job.

23:48 carlw2: But I never tried ragtime, can't say if it's better or worse.

23:50 danielglauser: carlw2: We use Migratus at work https://github.com/pjstadig/migratus

23:51 carlw2: mynomoto: thanks I'll give that a go instead. I liked ragtime cause it used straight sql

23:52 chessguy: ,(clojure.core.unify/unifier '(red ?x) '(foo bar))

23:52 clojurebot: #<ClassNotFoundException java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: clojure.core.unify>

23:52 carlw2: how do you handle having your database credentials duplicated?

23:52 do you have some single set of functions for that?

23:52 im using sql korma

23:56 mynomoto: carlw2: The connection map? I place it in a config file and refer it in the migration ns.

23:57 carlw2: mynomoto: can please you gist an example of that config file and how you read it?

23:57 i'd like to see how you have it setup

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